Comments on: Macsnobs http://www.itsorangenotred.com/2007/11/macsnobs.html Cory Albertson Blog Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:55:22 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Brandon Yotter http://www.itsorangenotred.com/2007/11/macsnobs.html/comment-page-1#comment-40 Brandon Yotter Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:21:00 +0000 http://itsorangenotred.com/newblog/?p=59#comment-40 I don't know man. I spent $1000 on a Dell laptop before freshman year and had to reformat it three times over the two years that I had it. You were there. You saw. I've now had my $1500 Mac for two and a half years with absolutely no problems, and frankly it has much better specs. I've also had my iPod for that long with no problems, and it's an older model that I got off of eBay. I don't know what you and Aut did to yours. I expected to be on my third iPod by now, after seeing your problems with them. I don’t know man. I spent $1000 on a Dell laptop before freshman year and had to reformat it three times over the two years that I had it. You were there. You saw. I’ve now had my $1500 Mac for two and a half years with absolutely no problems, and frankly it has much better specs. I’ve also had my iPod for that long with no problems, and it’s an older model that I got off of eBay. I don’t know what you and Aut did to yours. I expected to be on my third iPod by now, after seeing your problems with them.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.itsorangenotred.com/2007/11/macsnobs.html/comment-page-1#comment-39 Anonymous Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:38:00 +0000 http://itsorangenotred.com/newblog/?p=59#comment-39 You're forgetting one crucial thing - Apple products hold value. Take a look on Ebay for the last generation ipod or PB - then take a look at a year or two year old PC ... at the end of the day, Apple products ARE cheaper because they hold value better. How many year older PC's are selling for $1k or more? Or take a look at the 12" PB's - they are practically selling for the same price as if you had bought them new (they are discontinued) - again, how many PC's can sell for the original full retail for a 2 year old notebook? Can you even sell a Rio or Creative for a tiny fraction of what you paid? Sure, if you want me to call me a snob or a fanboy but some things (not just Apple products) are better and more valued (new or used) ... again, that's your choice to just look at items as to what you pay for it today but in the long run, it's actually the value that's more important. You’re forgetting one crucial thing – Apple products hold value. Take a look on Ebay for the last generation ipod or PB – then take a look at a year or two year old PC … at the end of the day, Apple products ARE cheaper because they hold value better. How many year older PC’s are selling for $1k or more? Or take a look at the 12″ PB’s – they are practically selling for the same price as if you had bought them new (they are discontinued) – again, how many PC’s can sell for the original full retail for a 2 year old notebook? Can you even sell a Rio or Creative for a tiny fraction of what you paid? Sure, if you want me to call me a snob or a fanboy but some things (not just Apple products) are better and more valued (new or used) … again, that’s your choice to just look at items as to what you pay for it today but in the long run, it’s actually the value that’s more important.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.itsorangenotred.com/2007/11/macsnobs.html/comment-page-1#comment-38 Anonymous Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:10:00 +0000 http://itsorangenotred.com/newblog/?p=59#comment-38 Irony is obviously not your strong suit since you exhibit an illogical streak of reverse snobbery yourself.<br/>Reason enough for me to feel comfortable where I lay my money rather than gambling. Irony is obviously not your strong suit since you exhibit an illogical streak of reverse snobbery yourself.
Reason enough for me to feel comfortable where I lay my money rather than gambling.

]]> By: Capt Obvious http://www.itsorangenotred.com/2007/11/macsnobs.html/comment-page-1#comment-37 Capt Obvious Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:19:00 +0000 http://itsorangenotred.com/newblog/?p=59#comment-37 Comparing Macs to PCs is like comparing Apples to Oranges..<br/><br/>And... if your main reason for purchasing a PC over the Mac is the price .. then you're missing the obvious..<br/><br/>Yes ... Apple doesn't offer a cheap computer .. but when you compare any model Mac with its counterpart Windows machine -- (equally equipped) .. the Mac comes out with the better price ..<br/><br/>Another thing to consider .. with any new Mac, you are able to install your Windows OS (Vista or XP) right on the same hard drive along side of the Mac OS -- and run both systems natively ! ..<br/>Can you do this with a Windows machine ?<br/><br/>Now, personally, I wouldnt do this, because it would be a huge waste of hard drive space ... but ...<br/><br/>This feature, alone, justifies the price of any Mac ... even if you think its more expensive ...<br/><br/>Is it really ? Comparing Macs to PCs is like comparing Apples to Oranges..

And… if your main reason for purchasing a PC over the Mac is the price .. then you’re missing the obvious..

Yes … Apple doesn’t offer a cheap computer .. but when you compare any model Mac with its counterpart Windows machine — (equally equipped) .. the Mac comes out with the better price ..

Another thing to consider .. with any new Mac, you are able to install your Windows OS (Vista or XP) right on the same hard drive along side of the Mac OS — and run both systems natively ! ..
Can you do this with a Windows machine ?

Now, personally, I wouldnt do this, because it would be a huge waste of hard drive space … but …

This feature, alone, justifies the price of any Mac … even if you think its more expensive …

Is it really ?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.itsorangenotred.com/2007/11/macsnobs.html/comment-page-1#comment-36 Anonymous Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:07:00 +0000 http://itsorangenotred.com/newblog/?p=59#comment-36 Shitty is as shitty does. Shitty is as shitty does.

]]> By: Nick http://www.itsorangenotred.com/2007/11/macsnobs.html/comment-page-1#comment-35 Nick Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:06:00 +0000 http://itsorangenotred.com/newblog/?p=59#comment-35 "The basic structure of logic behind the phrase, "exceptional claims require exceptional evidence," isn't just useful in arguing against religion."<br/><br/>Is it just that you don't know enough about the underlying technology, so that you *assume* that there is no basis for people's preference, so that it must be "religion"?<br/><br/>Talking about the old "Mac OS", as some other contributors have, muddies the waters. By the time it was dropped it had become a mess far worse than Windows. it was horrifically unstable. Mac OS 9 machines could crash when idling overnight. I don't care about the Apple brand, and I wouldn't have bought such crap.<br/><br/>OS X is different. It's a new start. It's UNIX-based. Moreover it builds on top of NeXT's fabulous technology, which the popular Linux desktops don't. This article gives an idea of one of the real and important difference under the hood:<br/><br/>http://rixstep.com/2/20050529,03.shtml<br/><br/>More on OS X and the advantage of the frameworks here:<br/><br/>http://weblog.infoworld.com/yager/archives/2007/10/take_me_home_le.html<br/><br/>To be sure Leopard isn't perfect, but it's a damn sight closer than anything else out there. I don't find anything else as nice to use, and there's a reason for that -- the way it's built.<br/><br/>Contrary to what some people would have you believe, Apple is competitive on price in the areas of the market in which it does compete. However, it doesn't have an offering at every price point. An Apple machine might not suit everyone's budget and needs, and if it doesn't best buy something else. But anyone crying Leopard down either lacks experience of the OS and its alternatives and is short on knowledge or has a bad case of sour grapes. It's got its flaws, but it really is very good indeed. “The basic structure of logic behind the phrase, “exceptional claims require exceptional evidence,” isn’t just useful in arguing against religion.”

Is it just that you don’t know enough about the underlying technology, so that you *assume* that there is no basis for people’s preference, so that it must be “religion”?

Talking about the old “Mac OS”, as some other contributors have, muddies the waters. By the time it was dropped it had become a mess far worse than Windows. it was horrifically unstable. Mac OS 9 machines could crash when idling overnight. I don’t care about the Apple brand, and I wouldn’t have bought such crap.

OS X is different. It’s a new start. It’s UNIX-based. Moreover it builds on top of NeXT’s fabulous technology, which the popular Linux desktops don’t. This article gives an idea of one of the real and important difference under the hood:

http://rixstep.com/2/20050529,03.shtml

More on OS X and the advantage of the frameworks here:

http://weblog.infoworld.com/yager/archives/2007/10/take_me_home_le.html

To be sure Leopard isn’t perfect, but it’s a damn sight closer than anything else out there. I don’t find anything else as nice to use, and there’s a reason for that — the way it’s built.

Contrary to what some people would have you believe, Apple is competitive on price in the areas of the market in which it does compete. However, it doesn’t have an offering at every price point. An Apple machine might not suit everyone’s budget and needs, and if it doesn’t best buy something else. But anyone crying Leopard down either lacks experience of the OS and its alternatives and is short on knowledge or has a bad case of sour grapes. It’s got its flaws, but it really is very good indeed.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.itsorangenotred.com/2007/11/macsnobs.html/comment-page-1#comment-34 Anonymous Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:54:00 +0000 http://itsorangenotred.com/newblog/?p=59#comment-34 No, it's not just the people you're hanging around with, it's the whole world. WIth the release of Vista, and it's overwhelming disappointing reception from the general computer using public, many many people have decided to try the grass on the other side of the fence to see if it is indeed greener, and guess what they're finding? It is! Apple is making great products, and deserves all the success they are having. OS X is a great Unix based OS (think security), and the Apple hardware is well, fantastic. No, it’s not just the people you’re hanging around with, it’s the whole world. WIth the release of Vista, and it’s overwhelming disappointing reception from the general computer using public, many many people have decided to try the grass on the other side of the fence to see if it is indeed greener, and guess what they’re finding? It is! Apple is making great products, and deserves all the success they are having. OS X is a great Unix based OS (think security), and the Apple hardware is well, fantastic.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.itsorangenotred.com/2007/11/macsnobs.html/comment-page-1#comment-33 Anonymous Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:42:00 +0000 http://itsorangenotred.com/newblog/?p=59#comment-33 Good call. OS X offers nothing functionally over Vista, and there is little good reason to go to the trouble of adopting a different operating system in either direction.<br/><br/>I use a Mac because, when it was time to move from DOS to a graphical interface, I faced the choice between System 7 and Windows 3. I don't think I was a sucker for marketing. Good call. OS X offers nothing functionally over Vista, and there is little good reason to go to the trouble of adopting a different operating system in either direction.

I use a Mac because, when it was time to move from DOS to a graphical interface, I faced the choice between System 7 and Windows 3. I don’t think I was a sucker for marketing.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.itsorangenotred.com/2007/11/macsnobs.html/comment-page-1#comment-32 Anonymous Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:10:00 +0000 http://itsorangenotred.com/newblog/?p=59#comment-32 Your said, "...yearly 15 minute trip to Best Buy to pick up the latest shitty (but affordable) PC."<br/><br/>Ok, so I buy a $1500 Macintosh laptop every three years. That is $500 a year, so how much is your shitty (but affordable) PC? If It is more then $500 you are getting screwed. <br/><br/>But in fact I use a tower for my business and after pricing a Dell vs. Mac the Mac is almost $1000 cheaper for the same specs. I just can't afford those shitty PCs. Your said, “…yearly 15 minute trip to Best Buy to pick up the latest shitty (but affordable) PC.”

Ok, so I buy a $1500 Macintosh laptop every three years. That is $500 a year, so how much is your shitty (but affordable) PC? If It is more then $500 you are getting screwed.

But in fact I use a tower for my business and after pricing a Dell vs. Mac the Mac is almost $1000 cheaper for the same specs. I just can’t afford those shitty PCs.

]]> By: ccribbs http://www.itsorangenotred.com/2007/11/macsnobs.html/comment-page-1#comment-31 ccribbs Fri, 23 Nov 2007 00:02:00 +0000 http://itsorangenotred.com/newblog/?p=59#comment-31 I liked your post. You are right: you can get a Windows (what version?) Vista laptop for $700. Great. Glad it works for you.<br/><br/>But to say that Apple sells products based on great marketing is absolutely ridiculous. I have been a Mac users for 20 years. I have never bought a Mac because of "great marketing." I am not saying their marketing isn't great. But it only "adds" to the experience, design, usability, technology and efficiency of the Mac. <br/><br/>Are they perfect? No. But Apple must be doing something right, outside of marketing, to be making money hand-over-fist right now. How about making a great product? I don't want to label you as a Windows fanboy. That would be disrespectful. I am not a Mac fanboy, either. But I think if you would take a few days to experience computing on a Mac, you would start to understand what it is all about. Maybe you won't. But I wish you wouldn't make a blanket statement about us Mac users, as if we got sucked into the distortion field, because of all things, marketing.<br/><br/>I have worked in IT for over 10 years. I support a Mac network of 55 Macs and three Xserves. No viruses means no AV software. Bonjour makes installing a printer a 10 second job. Administering an Xserve is so simple a HS student could do it. Remote Desktop is better than anything I have seen on Windows.<br/><br/>Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am truly glad Windows works for you. But real people get real work done everyday on a Mac. Maybe you should give a Mac a real try and see just how great computing can be.<br/><br/>Cheers! I liked your post. You are right: you can get a Windows (what version?) Vista laptop for $700. Great. Glad it works for you.

But to say that Apple sells products based on great marketing is absolutely ridiculous. I have been a Mac users for 20 years. I have never bought a Mac because of “great marketing.” I am not saying their marketing isn’t great. But it only “adds” to the experience, design, usability, technology and efficiency of the Mac.

Are they perfect? No. But Apple must be doing something right, outside of marketing, to be making money hand-over-fist right now. How about making a great product? I don’t want to label you as a Windows fanboy. That would be disrespectful. I am not a Mac fanboy, either. But I think if you would take a few days to experience computing on a Mac, you would start to understand what it is all about. Maybe you won’t. But I wish you wouldn’t make a blanket statement about us Mac users, as if we got sucked into the distortion field, because of all things, marketing.

I have worked in IT for over 10 years. I support a Mac network of 55 Macs and three Xserves. No viruses means no AV software. Bonjour makes installing a printer a 10 second job. Administering an Xserve is so simple a HS student could do it. Remote Desktop is better than anything I have seen on Windows.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I am truly glad Windows works for you. But real people get real work done everyday on a Mac. Maybe you should give a Mac a real try and see just how great computing can be.

Cheers!

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